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  Why isn't there any funding for the educational trail of twin peaks ? The Hi-Lo’s have asked for material and there is no provision for material in the grant The Hi-Lo’s have also asked for the heavy equipment to transport/place those materials I have heard of the discussion of a reroute near the top of the trail , but how will that happen without funding it, and it will be imperative to the control of users trying to go around this difficult spot.Please consider funding for this trail. We have worked with the HI-Lo's in the past and feel they are very equipped to control and maintain this area. Scot Hansen - 3/3/15


  Why is there no funding for ANY 4wd trails Only an area of motorcycle/ATV/Mountain Bike trails was funded $137,000 for 5.5 miles; that’s $4.50 per foot! This is way too expensive. A $68,000 contract for a mountain bike trail restoration group ! Really ? The listed volunteer group is TAMBA: Tahoe Area Mountain Bike Assoc Why not have funding for any OHV groups? Scot Hansen - 3/3/15


  I do not support this grant in any way, shape or form. It flies in the face of OHV and does nothing for any four wheel drive trail in the entire Lake Tahoe Basin. It ignores the efforts of many clubs who have stepped up and adopted OHV trails within the Basin by not funding any of the needs of those trails. This grant needs to be re-written from scratch. It needs money for the entire OHV system within the Basin. It needs to include money for a specific, seasonal, OHV representative for the Basin, who actually support and regularly participates in OHV activities. The total cost of the entire OHV grant is $137,000. That is the total sum of money the LTBMU has asked for to maintain the entire OHV system within the Basin. Further in to the details, we learn that this grant is only written to repair/maintain five and a half (5.5) miles of OHV trails. Again, those five and a half miles are motorcycle/ATV routes that are open to mountain bikes. At $137,000 for 5.5 miles equals $4.50 per FOOT!!!! So, the Basin has asked for no money for any other OHV trails, specifically, no money for any four wheel drive trails. No money for the Rubicon corridor, including the staging area. No money for the Twin Peaks area. No money for the Buck Lake Trail or the Middle Fork Trail near the Rubicon. No money for management or supervision. For as long as I can remember, there has been no lead person for dealing with OHV within the Basin. Every time you approach them about OHV, you speak to someone new. They need a ‘point’ person for all things OHV. Grant funding can do that for them but they don’t ask for it. The volunteer group listed within the grant is TAMBA. That’s the Tahoe Area Mountain Bike Association. Is this an OHV project or a mountain bike project? Why is there no motorcycle or ATV group associated with this grant? Where is the money for four wheel drive clubs? Just to mention a few: the Hi-Lo’s, North Tahoe Trail Dusters, South Tahoe Sami’s, Rubicon Trail Foundation, FOTR, Cal4, United, BRC, etc. Detailed within the grant is a contract with Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship (SBTS). This group has done a lot of trail maintenance work all over the Sierras. All of that work has been mountain bike trails. Some of the trails also allow motorcycles but not all of them. The kicker, the contract is worth $68,500!!!! Again, an OHV grant or a mountain bike grant? Do you know what a four wheel drive group could do with $68,500? We could buy a lot of rock and protect a lot of creek crossings and meadows in order to prevent future closings. The lack of funding will allow the Basin to claim they have no money to deal with any issues that might come up and they will close the trail rather than fix it. I do not like this grant. I feel it is the LTBMU using OHV money to maintain mountain bike trails and not getting ANY money for four wheel drive trails. The grant is legal and follows the rules, but it stinks! The Basin has many OHV groups that have adopted trails and many groups that are trying to get more adopted. The Basin doesn’t want more OHV trails, staging areas and signage adopted. Trust me, I’ve tried. Further more, the accompanying Law Enforcement grant falsely states the Basins effort to ‘manage’ OHV: Law Enforcement - Page 4 10. APPLICANTS WHO MANAGE OHV RECREATION FACILITIES – Describe how your organization is meeting its operation and maintenance needs: The LTBMU operates an ATV play area known as the "Sand Pit," supports management of the McKinney-Rubicon OHV Travelway within the Tahoe Basin watershed (Staging Area), and a number of OHV trailheads and staging areas. We rely on available federal funding for roads/trails and also on the contributions of volunteers. Our O&M funding is prioritized, and we try to focus on the most important needs. We routinely prioritize those needs and annually try to address them. The LTBMU has applied for no monies to deal with the efforts mentioned above. Although I support Law Enforcement on our OHV trails, there is something called the three “E’s”: Engineering, Education and Enforcement. Please note that enforcement is last on the list, and they are in a specific order. The LTBMU needs to engineer their OHV trails. That means money for maintenance of those OHV trails. Education means placing and repairing signage, maps and rules/regs at trailheads. Again, the current grant proposal by the LTBMU does not ask for any monies to do any of these things. They want to go straight to enforcement. Please deny this grant request as written as it does not have the best interests of OHV in mind. Doug Barr - 3/9/15


  I would ask that any and all grants disseminated to the various Nation Forest Off-Highway Vehicle programs be limited to 50% of the proposed grant monies if that Forest abides by the California State OHV Green/Red sticker guide lines. Even though Riders of red sticker OHVs pay the full $52.00 bi-annual registration fees they  are limited to only partial year use in State SVRAs due to 'environmental' concerns of air quality.  Several National Forest districts have chosen to abide by the state mandated riding periods for red sticker OHVs even though there is no state mandated smog check program requirements for on road vehicles in their counties. Thank you for your time... David Cantrell - 3/13/15

  Funding for OHV is important to the community and needs comprehensive strategy. Poorly managed can harm the environment and limit recreation that is pivotal to the USFS. Specific to the Corral Area project I feel that Buck Lake need AAT signage replaced. Additionally, Middle Fork Trail has had good work done to the trail... but needs better signage as does Carnelian Bay and Agate Bay trails. Signage is a cheap way to ensure proper use and access to the great resource we have in these areas. An OHV Recreation Officer is a important part of usage and with various OHV organizations wanting to help the asset of trails and comment. This position needs funding! Doug Chase - 3/23/15


  I am very concerned that LTBMU has not applied for OHV funds to repair any OHV trails. LTBMU is only applying for funds to maintain a mountain bike trail. Do mountain bikes pay into the OHV fund? The Rubicon Trail is used by exponentially more visitors and those visitors are actually paying into the OHV fund. Please consider applying for funding maintenance of one of the most famous OHV trails in N. America. But LTBMU did not apply for funding to help maintain this trail. Twin Peaks OHV area is seeing increasing use and needs trail work to insure LEO access to the end of the trail system. But LTBMU did not apply for funding to address those issues. I'm dismayed by the decisions of LTBMU and the direction of the funding applications. Please reconsider applying for OHV funds to benefit the important trails that are being used by actual OHV's. Trail maintenance is never ending, and cannot be ignored. The Lake Tahoe Hi-Lo's along with many other users have provided thousands of hours of volunteer time over the decades to address issues on the Rubicon Trail and Twin Peaks. We need help from LTBMU to secure OHV funding in order to continue our tradition of trail stewardship. Thank you for your time, Jon Bachelder Lake Tahoe Hi-Lo's - 3/28/15


  It appears to me the the current grant proposal does not provide any funding for the 4 wheel drive, OHV trails in the basin. Please fund for repairs and upgrades on the Twin Peaks 4 wheel drive trail. The lower rock challenge hill needs more boulders and rocks set in place with heavy equipment to stabilize the trail, create a barrier to keep vehicles on the trail and to enhance the four wheel drive challenge experience in a responsible way. The upper rock challenge hill needs to have the bypass section of the trail reengineered and rebuilt to stop the eroding of the trail and allow access to the top of the trail for less capable 4 wheel drive vehicles. This trail could use better signage. Please provide funding for the upkeep for the Rubicon Trail. It needs the water bars to be maintained, repaired and rebuilt to help prevent erosion. The staging area needs to be paved or regraded. The staging area and trail needs better signage. Fuel reduction along the trail would make it safer for everyone. Please provide funding for a dedicated OHV officer for the Tahoe basin. Thank you, Gary Lefler Lake Tahoe HI-Lo's 4 Wheel Drive Club - 3/29/15


  Please fund the necessary repairs to Twin Peaks Trail allowing your LEOs access to the top of Twin Peaks, in order to provide a safer and more environmentally friendly user experience of that trail. Failure to implement this repair project would result in continued deterioration of existing OHV trail opportunities, negatively affecting quality of the experience, increasing the level of difficulty on trails designed as "difficult" or "extreme" to near impossible, and potentially leading to closure for OHV use. A detriment to the basin as a whole, detering visitors to the area and potentially forcing users into areas not intended for such uses. Current lack of informational signage and vehicle barriers make continued trespass and damage to facilities likely without completion of this project. Please correct the spelling of Lake Tahoe Hi-Los in Section 4, Page15 of 16. Thank you. Rod MacLean, Lake Tahoe Hi-Los 4X$ Club - 3/30/15


  As written, this Lake Tahoe Basin OHV grant request is severely under-requesting OHV funding. This grant needs to request money for the entire OHV system within the Basin, not just money for bike trails. The request needs to include money for a specific, seasonal, OHV representative for the Basin; one that supports and regularly participates in OHV activities. With this request, the Basin has asked for no money for any 4 wheel drive trails; not the Rubicon corridor, not the Twin Peaks area, not Buck Lake nor the Middle Fork Trail. This request has no money for management or supervision. The Basin has many OHV (4 wheel drive) groups that have adopted trails and many groups are trying to get more trails adopted. Why is there no money being requested in support of those groups? A 4 wheel drive group could do a lot withe $68,500. They could buy a lot of rock to protect creek crossings and meadows to prevent future trail closings. This grant request should be rewritten to include generous funding to support 4 wheel drive OHV operations and maintenance activities. Greg Reed - 4/1/15


  I am commenting again to bring up another issue not currently addressed by the LTBMU grant, basic trail maintenance. Trail maintenance needs to be funded. It is a difficult topic to write a specific grant for but is extremely important in order to keep our trails open. Some years ago, the anti-OHV crowd sued the Eldorado National Forest over trails possible damaging meadows, due to lack of maintenance. Many of those trails are still closed, years later. By continuing to fund and perform basic trail maintenance, I would like to see future lawsuits and trail closures prevented. As we do not know what will be needed for basic maintenance, I suggest a broader scope. Include: materials for the hardening of our trials; funding for the transportation of materials at least to the trailhead and maybe even to the site; signage for trailheads and along the trails in order to educate the users and prevent them from doing damage to the trails and our forests; funding for engineers to check reports of trail issues, design a repair plan and effect repairs in a timely manner. This last point could be covered by an expansion of the Adopt-A-Trail program within the Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit, as users are always out on the trails. A short, half day of training could bring certain users up to speed on how to spot potential issues on our trails and how to properly document and report those issues back to the LTBMU. It’s an old saying but it does apply here, “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”. Doug Barr - 4/4/15


  STAGING: This grant should include funding for the Tahoma Staging area. The LTBMU has avoided anything Rubicon related for some time now. They treat it like the third rail of a subway system or trying to fix social security. Although the Rubicon is a county easement/right-of-way or state controlled, the sides of the trail and the Tahoma staging area are LTBMU responsibility. The staging area needs work. Funding should be requested to perform this work. The work could include: hardening the borders with boulders, already on site; regularly grading and compacting the staging area parking area; maybe paving the parking area; protecting the trees within the parking area with boulders, posts and maybe a fence; other improvements could include establishing a true ‘staging’ area with a twenty minute limit; pour a concrete slab for vehicles to park on and prep for the trail or prep for the street. By trying to pretend it doesn’t exist, the staging area won’t go away. It is the responsibility of the LTBMU and they need to step up their maintenance efforts there. Doug Barr - 4/5/15


  I was shocked to read that no funding was requested for 4WD OHV road maintenance and repair in the Tahoe Basin area. Numerous 4WD drive clubs including the South Lake Tahoe Hi-Lo's have contributed hundreds of man hours to maintain and repair the Twin Peaks Trail and other trails in the Tahoe Basin. Have any motorcycle clubs in the Tahoe Basin contributed to OHV Trail maintenance to the extent that those areas are singled out to receive funding for motorcycle OHV trail repair and maintenance? Yes motorcycle OHV trails need maintenance as do 4WD OHV trails. Please add requests for funding of 4-wheel OHV trails along with motorcycle OHV trail maintenance. It is well know that 4WD drive clubs contribute a significant amount of sweat and personal funds to keep 4WD trails in reasonable condition. Funds used for 4WD OHV trail maintenance have a great bang for the buck due to the contribution of the 4WD clubs labor. To extend the value of our TAX dollars please request funding to help 4WD clubs like the Hi-Lo's maintain our 4WD OHV trails like the Twin Peaks Trail. Thank-you. Michael Wall Lake Tahoe Hi-Lo's 4WD Club - 4/6/15


  TOILETS: After several publically posted comments, an OHV open house and a few email exchanges, I have been told the LTBMU has decided to add to its grant application. It is rumored that it will add funding to clean toilets. Now I am not opposed to this addition but I fail to see how toilets are added but funding for anything four wheel drive related has been added. The LTBMU and CA State Parks have received more substantive comments about funding 4wd trails than toilets. The LTBMU is obviously not listening. I am still not in favor of funding this grant as written. Funding for 4wd trails, specifically the Tahoma staging area and for general maintenance needs to be included. Doug Barr - 4/6/15


  My name is Tyson Terpening and I am with South Tahoe Off Road Motorcycle club(STORM). My self and many other dedicated volunteers of the Sandpits OHV area in South Lake Tahoe have been maintaining the Sandpits for ten years now and we love doing so and love providing a safe place that the public can come ride for free . We offer all levels of terrain for the beginner to the advanced user. Our maintenance schedule is watering Tuesday evening for about 3 hrs then we work with heavy equipment and our volunteers from  7-4 on Wed.  then it is open to the public for the evening. We also water fri and Sat. About 4 hrs each day and sometimes partial maintenance with heavy equipment on Fri after closing. No one that is not a volunteer and has not signed the JHAs is alowed on the track while equipment is being used. On Wednesdays we have volunteers around the track to help mainly the kids but anyone who might need it and to make other users aware if someone has fallen on the track. We have many local families that use the facility as well as users from out of town. We have been dedicating many hours and a lot of sweat let alone the amount of funds it takes to maintain the Sandpit OHV area. Thanks to our many volunteers and local companies such as Brian Kuelper cons. Who has purchased a water truck for the sole purpose of the Sandpits OHV area, Wood Excavating, Ferguson Excavating, Gary Jones Paving, Quint Ross with Camprichardson Stables, Sierra Tahoe Ready Mix, and Steve's Transmission all of which have donated time and or equipment just to keep the Sandpits OHV area maintained and safe for public use. Three of these donators don't have anything to do with any kind of OHV. But there are still many times that we have to rent equipment for the sole fact that donated equipment isn't always available. We are at a point now that getting donated equipment is getting harder and harder and we can only ask for their jenerousity for so long. We have had water pumps and fittings stolen from us that totaled a $1,600 dollar loss, since then South Tahoe Refuse has donated the use of a storage container to properly keep our many tools locked up. STORM would like to continue serving the public and making it possible for them to have a safe place to enjoy but after ten years it's getting harder and harder on us to justify the funding of the Sandpits when we do not get any help from the OHV grants but continue to see those funds granted to TAMBA which is a mountain bike club in South Lake Tahoe. I recently found out that TAMBA was granted $150000 to reconstruct the Coral Trail which I know is a dirt bike trail and that is great to see funds spent to improve an OHV area but the Sandpits OHV area sees more users in one week then the Coral Trail will see in one month or more. It has also been brought to my attention that the reconstruction plans drawn up for the Coral Trail would better suit a mountain bike than a dirt bike.  I support TAMBA and all they do but the Sandpits OHV area needs some help as well, after all they are OHV FUNDS and I'm not sure but I don't believe There are many clubs like STORM that donate 300 plus hours a summer and fund an area like the Sandpits OHV area. There are many projects we would like to accomplish to better the Sandpits OHV area but cannot do so without the help of these OHV grants funds. STORM does enjoy providing a fun and safe place for all OHV users to go but we do need some help. Thank you very much for reading this email, STORM & Tyson Terpening - 4/6/15


  Please, please, please help us obtain some funds for the sand pits ohv track in south Lake Tahoe. We have been doing it our selves for so long and could use any help that would " lighten the work load " for all of us volunteers. We are very lucky to have such a place and it could be so much more with the help of the state. Anything would help. Thank you, Jason McCoy - 4/6/15


  I am writing you to put in my vote for ohv Grant funding for the sand pits in south lake Tahoe.   Thank you,  Tom taflin. - 4/6/15


  The OHV sand pits have been a great place of recovery for me the last few years.  I had some hard times in my life in the last 5 years, recovering from a injury and decreased confidence. I found a place where the local community comes together to make something great for everyone who rides and doesn't.  Every week I see multiple family's and individuals, of every skill level enjoying a well organized Wednesday afternoon.  Everyone respects the land we are so grateful to ride on, and one another on and off the trail/track.  The sand pits are a great place for family's to be outdoors together.  We all see and understand the decreasing area's of riding spots available to local South Lake Tahoe residence with in a 50 mile radius.  We are very fortunate to have a place so close and so well taken care of by the local people.  The sand pits also bring in riders and family's from outside of South Lake Tahoe.  Creating revenue for the local South Lake Tahoe business's.  All these travelers need fuel for their bikes and body's.  They all are part of social media, and tell the world about where they just rode with their friends and family. I have friends come ride from all over Northern Nevada, Northern California.  I have met people from all over the USA stopping to ride at the sand pits in the last 3 years I have been here.  Please continue to help the local community keep a wonderful place for everyone big and small to enjoy.  Thank you Sebastian Combes - 4/6/15


  Please consider putting more money towards the Sandpit area in South Lake Tahoe, Ca. OHV registration brings in lots of money and there should be more put towards the dirt bike track. For over 10 years locals have put their own money in to maintain it. I understand that the majority of the money goes to TAMBA and mountain biking. Mountain bikes don’t bring in any of this OHV funds, so why should it go mostly towards mtn. bike trails. I think there should be a fair % to each area. Tahoe brings in lots of summer time tourists, and why not have a great dirt bike track. With more money it could be maintained better and this will make it safer and more fun for everybody. Thank you for your time and consideration, Rosemarie K. Daiek - 4/6/15