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I'm not sure who to address this to at the San Bernardino National Forest and I hope that this can be forwarded to the appropriate contact. I am commenting on the archaeological site protection portion of the SBNF preliminary ground operations grant application.  Until FY 2012, the US Forest Service requirements for Heritage Program management only insisted on the USFS staff monitoring the condition of important sites at a National Forest.  The monitoring performed by OHV archaeology site stewards extended the forest's ability to carry out these tasks.  But the review of this system by the National Trust by Historic Preservation concluded that passive management was not effective.  This fiscal year, the USFS instituted a new heritage program strategy and requirements.  These include actively surveying for sites which may be important for completing our understanding of the prehistory and history of the forests; evaluating sites to determine their importance; monitoring significant sites (as before); developing active site stewardship strategies (direct protection, stabilization, rehabilitaiton, restoration etc) when needed; and outreaching to the public to educate the public on the importance of pubic stewardship, and also to develop enjoyment of archaeological resources to make their stewardship important to the public. As the USFS Heritage Program management has changed, it seems appropriate and more effective to involve the OHV archaeology volunteers in the new program mission.  I believe that the OHV archaeology volunteer program should be supported partly by the SBNF planning and restoration grants in addition to the ground operation grant, in order to allow the OHV volunteers to participate in protecting heritage sites from possible impacts using new heritage program management activities which may be more effective. 
 
I would be happy to elaborate on this comment if this would be helpful, and I would like to be kept abreast of deliberations and decision on this matter, if this is possible.  
 
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this grant application.  I believe these grants are helpful to the Forests and their public alike and would like to help improve their effectiveness. [Gina  Griffith - 4/2/12]



Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.
 
I am a motorcycle rider since my early childhood with my father. my grandfather bought me a Honda Trail 50 and i loved it more than anything. in my 20's, i bought a street bike and love the freedom i get and i've met most of my friends from the motorcycle community. in recent years i've revisited riding a dirt bike and love it more than anything else. it allows me access to some amazing forest i've grown up loving (we were a camping family) and the excitement new challenges on trails give me.

I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.  I understand that this is a planning grant to decide which trails will ultimately be added to the US Forest OHV trail system.
 
My support comes with certain requests.  After 30 years of no new trail additions to this trail system with millions of dollars of OHV Green Sticker dollars being granted and spent year after year, we must have result oriented requirements on these grants. This grant request specifically speaks of adding "up to 20 miles of trail."   Later it states "net gain of up to 5-20 miles".  Additionally it states “We hope to provide riders a complete loop trail system, minimizing the need for user created trails in this area.”  With only 2.1 miles of dirt bike 24” trail in the system this is just too small a goal. And we have to do better than just “hope” at the cost of almost a quarter million grant dollars, just for planning !

There are somewhere between 50 to 100 miles of user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area, most of it outside of the designated road-less area. These trails have been on the ground for 50+ years.  And prior to recent times they have been widely used because lack of management or law enforcement for the entire life of these trails has lead users to believe they are "open to use". The dirt bike opportunity in the SBNF is smaller than any other CA based US Forest System to my knowledge.  The current focus on law enforcement and planned restoration of trails left out of the official trail has created a HUGE NET LOSS in dirt bike OHV opportunity.  We have 2.1 miles of legal trail for dirt bikes.  These changes have made outlaws of otherwise law abiding, forest resource sensitive users. The user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area are documented with the Forest Service.  The current FS view is that we need a plan that takes a broad view of the resources rather than a piece by piece approach.  I STRONGLY AGREE.  Therefore it only makes sense that this Planning Grant is used to determine the viability of all existing user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area for OHV use.  Future grant applications to cover physically adding these trails to the forest OHV trail system can be parceled out as the work load & budgets allow in the next few years.  But the PLANNING work we propose to do in conjunction with the Planning Grant should not target 5-20 miles.  It should look at every trail in the Planning Area.  All trails viable to be added to the OHV trail system should identified and listed as approved for addition to the legal OHV trail system.
 
Let’s review all of these trails.  We know where they are.  They have all been GPS'd and mapped.  Let's do the broad scale planning that we have all spoken about with this Planning Grant...  so that every single inch of appropriate trail that can be added to the legal OHV trail system will be added as resources allow.

Thank you again for your efforts on behalf of the public interest that you serve so well ! [Charles Fox - 4/2/12]


Please be sure to include motorcycle-only trails in your recreation areas, especially the Deep Creek/Coxey Area.  I grew up in Orange County and live in Colorado now but visit family in California as frequently as possible.  My children greatly enjoy riding with my brother and their cousins, and it's important that they be safe while they are having fun. 

Thank you very much for your efforts. [Patti Gassaway - 4/1/12]



The San Bernardino National Forest grant for Ground Operations is a comprehensive grant that supports OHV in a well used and well loved area.  I am curious why there are sections asking for money for archaeologists in two sections, a section for cultural site stewards, a section for a "para archaeologist" and a "arch site stewardship vol coordina"?  I also wonder why there is a section for a botanist, a separate section for a biologist and a separate section for a wildlife biologist.  Are  these all different people doing different things or the same people performing different tasks?  This should be made more clear.  There is a lot of off-road opportunity in the SBNF and I am glad it is being taken care of. 

The San Bernardino National Forest Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area grant is a big step in the right direction and I hope it can be fully funded.  This is a very expensive way to open a new trail, but I don't see any other way while in the NEPA process.  I volunteered on a similar project in the Cleveland National Forest and the new motorcycle single track is now open, so I know it is possible to acheive this.  Best of luck with this, I hope it opens and I can come ride it in the coming years.

The San Bernardino National Forest  Cajon Wash Boulder Placement grant will protect a sensitive riparian area from unlawful entry.  This grant should be fully funded to help keep people in the right places and help keep the existing trails open. [Ed Stovin, CORVA - 4/1/12]


I'm not sure who to address this to at the San Bernardino National Forest and I hope that this can be forwarded to the appropriate contact. I am commenting on the archaeological site protection portion of the SBNF preliminary ground operations grant application.  Until FY 2012, the US Forest Service requirements for Heritage Program management only insisted on the USFS staff monitoring the condition of important sites at a National Forest.  The monitoring performed by OHV archaeology site stewards extended the forest's ability to carry out these tasks.  But the review of this system by the National Trust by Historic Preservation concluded that passive management was not effective.  This fiscal year, the USFS instituted a new heritage program strategy and requirements.  These include actively surveying for sites which may be important for completing our understanding of the prehistory and history of the forests; evaluating sites to determine their importance; monitoring significant sites (as before); developing active site stewardship strategies (direct protection,stabilization, rehabilitaiton, restoration etc) when needed; and outreaching to the public to educate the public on the importance of pubic stewardship, and also to develop enjoyment of archaeological resources to make their stewardship important to the public. As the USFS Heritage Program management has changed, it seems appropriate and more effective to involve the OHV archaeology volunteers in the new program mission.  I believe that the OHV archaeology volunteer program should be supported partly by the SBNF planning and restoration grants in addition to the ground operation grant, in order to allow the OHV volunteers to participate in protecting heritage sites from possible impacts using new heritage program management activities which may be more effective. 
 
I would be happy to elaborate on this comment if this would be helpful, and I would like to be kept abreast of deliberations and decision on this matter, if this is possible. 
 
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this grant application.  I believe these grants are helpful to the Forests and their public alike and would like to help improve their effectiveness. [Gina  Griffith - 4/1/12]


I hope and dream that after 30 years we can have some trails designated for dirt bike only in the Deep Creek area.  This would mean soo much to so many who head to the forest for family recreation and nature fixes.  It is smart and sensible to have a safe loop for dirt bikes to avoid the passenger vehicles who also share the area. We need a legal trail system that connects that connects with the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek.

I cant express how much it means.

I hope you will take this to heart and make a decision that will only benefit and help the situation we face.

Thank you kindly. [Karen Jenson - 4/1/12]



Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.

I am a 52 year resident of Southern California and a trail user for 42 of those years. My family and I enjoy using the SBNF trail system, but in recent years we don't feel safe on them because of so many closures forcing multiple ohv users to share what is remaining of the trail system. We are motorcyclists and fully support adding dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.

My family and I appreciate The hard work the forestry service puts in to provide ohv opportunities and we would like to see as many miles of 24inch trails created as possible.

Thank You again. [Richard Russell - 4/1/12]


Please be sure to include motorcycle-only trails in your recreation areas, especially the Deep Creek/Coxey Area.  I grew up in Orange County and live in Colorado now but visit family in California as frequently as possible.  My children greatly enjoy riding with my brother and their cousins, and it's important that they be safe while they are having fun. 

Thank you very much for your efforts. [Patti Gassaway - 4/1/12]


This email is in regards to the new trails being planned in the deep creek/ coxey area of the sbnf. After almost 30 yrs of no new trails, and mounting closures, I fully support the addition of any new motorcycle trails. The closures have forced motorcycles to share more trails with utv's, atv's and 4x4 vehicles. This leads to increased danger of accidents on the trail, and more times than not, the motorcyclist loses. I enjoy recreating in this area of the sbnf, and the addition of more trails to the existing system would be fantastic. I appreciate you being the leader in the movement of giving back to the community(the off-road community) and allowing us to legally recreate in the sbnf like everyone else. Thank You so much for all the time and effort that you have given..... [Daniel "Double" Luther - 4/1/12]


Although I am not a dirt bike rider, I appreciate that everyone has a safe way to enjoy the outdoors. [Thomas M Palmer - 4/1/12]


I hope and dream that after 30 years we can have some trails designated for dirt bike only in the Deep Creek area.  This would mean soo much to so many who head to the forest for family recreation and nature fixes.  It is smart and sensible to have a safe loop for dirt bikes to avoid the passenger vehicles who also share the area. We need a legal trail system that connects that connects with the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek.

I cant express how much it means.

I hope you will take this to heart and make a decision that will only benefit and help the situation we face.

Thank you kindly. [Karen Jenson - 4/1/12]



Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.

I am a 52 year resident of Southern California and a trail user for 42 of those years. My family and I enjoy using the SBNF trail system, but in recent years we don't feel safe on them because of so many closures forcing multiple ohv users to share what is remaining of the trail system. We are motorcyclists and fully support adding dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.

My family and I appreciate The hard work the forestry service puts in to provide ohv opportunities and we would like to see as many miles of 24inch trails created as possible.

Thank You again [Richard Russell - 4/1/12]



I am in full support of all the projects the San Bernardino National Forest ID 92-8443828 applying for this year, especially the planning and restoration projects which will allow the addition of Twenty miles of trails and connect the trail system on this Forest to the BLM system to the North, also as a Volunteer on this Forest I strongly support the purchase of the under 50" side by side ATV and dump trailer. The items they want to purchase are highly needed to support trial work on the system in this Forest, the under 50" side by side can haul tools and equipment on 50" trials that cannot safely be transported with an ATV, the dump trailer allows Volunteers to haul rocks needed for projects in areas where it's too rough for Government trucks, also some of these trials may be over 50" but allow green sticker travel to connect trails and are the only opportunity for green sticker side by sides over 50" wide.
 
Also I would support the addition of planning and restoration to provide a wider connection from the South end of 2n75 to 2n28y and 2n29y to the east, again I feel this is justified green sticker expense because side by sides over 50" wide can dead end on the South end of 2n75 with no where to go, also with the lost of 3w12 with the east end converted to non motorized and the West end re-maned 3w65 using the east end of what was 3w13 which I fear wont Handel all the extra traffic over time. I would also like to see the addition of a staging area around the intersection of 2n75 and 3w65 and include a toilet and some benches at least, also would like to see more planning for building new trails including the restoration projects needed to allow for them as we discussed at the last line officers meeting hosted be ED Waldheim April 20th this year. Also as far as the concerns I heard at this meeting of the shortfall of money this year in the operation category, I am supporting full funding of all items in all these grants and the addition of the items I am asking they add to it, again if the State Legislators followed the States Constitution there would not be a short fall this is a competitive process and I don't not support any cuts to anyones grant Solly for State Budget considerations. [Tom Tammone - 4/1/12]

I am writing this to express my support and desire to have motorcycle only trails near deep creek.
 
We really do need the ability to have a safe loop trail through the forest trail system free from conflict with other types of off-road vehicles.
 
It is imperative to have a legal trail system that connects to the existing BLM trails near deep creek.
 
Thank you for your help. [James Palmer - 3/31/12]


Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.
 
I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.  I understand that this is a planning grant to decide which trails will ultimately be added to the US Forest OHV trail system.
 
My family and I enjoy the ability to ride in all of Southern California's many and diverse areas and are saddened by the loss of recreation space we have seen over the years.  I feel this trail would make a positive difference for all concerned.
 
Thank you for your time. [Jeff Boehm - 3/30/12]


This is a forest that as of 1999 has received   $2,935.060 million dollars from the OHV trust fund, last record by the  OHV division has for each applicant, so add to that 12 years, you probably have  a forest that has well over 4 million dollars given to it by the OHV program.   Now what does that have for us?  The Par Report of 2005 listed 36 Miles of 50 inch trail and 836 miles of open to all vehicles high clearance.  Today  It list 945 miles  but does not list the single track, however during our meeting we found out that there are 42 miles of 50 inches or less  and that they have 169 miles that they maintain for total of 211 miles , the rest is level 2 road.  Visitors in 2005 was at 151,000 and now at 266,265  so it has had an increase of visitors.  There is a direct relationship between what your OHV program is to the number of visitors that visit a forest. 
 
I support these grants, but with concerns and comments 
G 11-02-14-G 01  Ground Operations.   On the surface $486,393 is a very high price for 42 miles of 50 inches or less, or 169 miles of trails with some maintenance, and the rest no maintenance.   This forest has an incredible opportunity to do so much more, and As Jody Noiron Forest Supervisor stated they are going to look at all the trails including the over 400 miles of un authorized motorcycle trails and close to 300 unauthorized bicycle trails.  The reason for this review is that you either make them available to single track 50 inches or less or you have to close them.  Restoration funds have to be sought to do that. 
 
A trail system is that, it has to be managed properly with signing, both for open routes and those routes that are not open for anyone, period.  I hiker can go any place they want, but that is about it.
 
This grant has so many staff persons, that it makes you wonder is there anyone with their "boots" on the ground.  As in other grants Qty  should be in hours working on the ground and cost per hour for total cost,  This forest has so many tech's that it goes on for pages and pages.  They have total staff $368,543  That is an incredible amount of staff for  211 miles of trail. 
 
Remember we have been providing funding to this forest for a very long time, Trails  really have not changed in 25 years, so why on earth would  you have all these Tech;s unless it is supplement existing forest Staff.  That is not what this program is about.  
 
Tow Power Augers,  now this is a good one, that has to be on roads or the 167 miles of roads, if you are taking away an opportunity, well that should be in restoration. 
Remember.  Ground operation  manages open trails,  Restoration manages closed trails
 
Material/ Supplies   
list 1   at 10,000  OK what is that, how many of what are you getting,  
Other Signs, same thing 40 at 100.00 each for $4000  what do I get for $100 
Tools  surely the forest already has all these radios and tools and the list goes on for $95,850 
 
Everyone seems to have forgotten that there is a 5 million dollar over subscribed in Ground Operation, and you add all this, just does not work well with others that have opportunity and lot more trails than this forest and may not get a grant.
 
Rock Trailer, how often do you put rocks in streams.  Certainly not one that a person can lift, that needs to be done with a Skip loader to be ore efficient.
 
Purchase of Razor, is not needed,  yes everyone wants them, but you have access to most of your areas via the 167 miles of trails, Razor is not needed , also 50 inches or less trails last thing you want to see is a Razor on them. 
 
Trailer , surely you already have trailers,why would you want to purchase another one for 5,000 that is on big trailer.   They do not cost that much. This grant is way to high.   
 
G 11-02-14-R 01    Trail Planning for Deep Creek / Coxey Area
 
Out of the 400 unauthorized routes in the forest has, you state that perhaps will gain 20 miles of single track? what will happen to the other 380 miles that folk use whenever they want, really making  a mockery of the trail system.  
 
We asked for a map of the subject area, but never received it. 
 
R 11-02-14-R 01  Restoration Monitoring and Maintenance Forest Rise. Concern here is that you talk about Baldy Mesa, how can you be doing anything here since we do not even have a finished plan that has been in the works for the past 20 years?  
 
There should be a list of all the unauthorized trails with map so we can see exactly what the progress for restoration is on this forest.  And what possible other routes can be put into service with little or no man power, just signing.
 
G 11-02-14-R 03   Cajon Wash Bounder Placement.  
this is one good way to use restoration, you should ask for more and do the same in other problem areas. [Ed Waldheim - 3/30/12]



I am writing to support a grant request to help save our trails and single track areas. Single track is far less stressful to the enviroment than say a UTV.

We hope to get support to maintain and keep our single track. Single track is fun for all of the family. Its a clear and easy trail to follow that allows all to enjoy the outdoors. [Bryan Fiscalini - 3/29/12]


I've been enjoying riding this area since the mid 1990s, however, after 30 years of no new trails that you support fully the new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek. I would like the ability to have a safe loop through the forest trail system free from conflict with passenger vehicles and ATVs and UTVs. And that we must have a legal trail system to connect to the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek.

Thank you for the consideration. [Andrew Lynn - 3/28/12]


After thirty years of no new trails I fully support the new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek. It would be great to have a safe loop through the forest trail system free from conflict with passenger vehicles, ATVs, and UTVs.Thank you. [Kevin M. Glendora - 3/28/12]

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.

First off I want to tell you that I enjoy the serenity and the beauty of the San Bernadino National Forest and want nothing more than preserve it for future generations to enjoy and I believe the core of OHV and specifically dirt bike enthusiast feel the same way.
 
I wanted to express the need for more dirt bike only trails in the SBNF.  Currently there are very limited opportunities available to the public to ride very narrow trails that have little impact to the landscape compared to other forms of motorized recreation.  I understand the opportunity to add up to 20 miles of trails is very rare, even more rare is the fact that the trails would not need to be physically added, they are already there the just need to be made legal. Therefore the Planning Grant should not target only 5-20 miles.  It should look at every trail in the Planning Area.  All trails viable to be added to the OHV trail system should identified and listed as approved for addition to the legal OHV trail system.  Adding more trails that are already trails to the maps would be even better and would minimize people attempting to make more illegal trails.  The dirt bike opportunity in the SBNF is smaller than any other CA based US Forest System to my knowledge.
 
I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area and any other trails already in physical existence.  I understand that this is a planning grant to decide which trails will ultimately be added to the US Forest OHV trail system. [Jeff Benjamin - 3/28/12]


After 30 years of no new trails I kindly ask that you support fully the new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek. We want the ability to have a safe loop through the forest trail system free from conflict with passenger vehicles and ATVs and UTVs. We truly need a legal trail system to connect to the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek. Thank you very much for your consideration. [Chris Pollacchi - 3/28/12]


After 30 years of no new trails I fully support the new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek. us dirt bike riders need the ability to have a safe loop through the forest trail system free from conflict with passenger vehicles and ATVs and UTVs. Also we must have a legal trail system to connect to the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek.  I appreciate your time and effort and for listening to me. [Travace - 3/27/12]

I am an avid outdoor lover that has been recreating in the SBNF for decades. I am a passionate motorcycle(street legal/dual sport and green sticker) rider and have ridden just about every legal trail in the system at one time or another. Not so much lately, with the increase of UTVs and other larger off road vehicles, it has become somewhat dangerous to utilize some of the larger roads. With only 2.1 miles of motorcycle only (24" and under) trail, the dirt bike opportunity in the SBNF is smaller than any other CA based US Forest System to my knowledge. 
The current focus on law enforcement and planned restoration of trails left out of the official trail has created a HUGE NET LOSS in dirt bike OHV opportunity.

After 30 years of no new trails I support fully the new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek. We want the ability to have a safe loop through the forest trail system free from conflict with passenger vehicles and ATVs and UTVs. We must have a legal trail system to connect to the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek. There are somewhere between 50 to 100 miles of user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area, most of it outside of the designated road-less area. These trails have been on the ground for 50+ years.  And prior to recent times they have been widely used because lack of management or law enforcement for the entire life of these trails has lead users to believe they are "open to use".

The current FS view is that we need a plan that takes a broad view of the resources rather than a piece by piece approach.  I STRONGLY AGREE.  Therefore it only makes sense that this Planning Grant is used to determine the viability of all existing user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area for OHV use.  Future grant applications to cover physically adding these trails to the forest OHV trail system can be parceled out as the work load & budgets allow in the next few years. But the PLANNING work we propose to do in conjunction with the Planning Grant should not target 5-20 miles.  It should look at every trail in the Planning Area.  All trails viable to be added to the OHV trail system should identified and listed as approved for addition to the legal OHV trail system.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to participate in the comment process. [Robert J. Boening - 3/27/12]

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.

Having grown up at the base of the San Bernardino Mountains and having enjoyed off-road motorcycle riding for over 40 years I wanted to let you know I fully support the development of new trails that provide the ability to have a safe motorcycle loop through the forest trail system free from conflict with passenger vehicles and ATVs and UTVs.  After 30 years of no new trails in the area, I fully support the new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek. We want and we must have a legal trail system to connect to the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek.

Thank you for your time and support of this important project. [Greg Eyrich - 3/27/12]

RE: Deep Creek / Coxey Area.
I have been living, working and raising my family in Southern California my entire life. During these 49 years, I have seen many changes and not all have been for the better, especially when it comes to the publics’ right of way on public lands.

There was a time when I could take my family to our public lands to enjoy the outdoors in a safe and quality way on dirt bikes. However, with the decommissioning of “non-approved” trails, we have been forced into a smaller network of “roads” where the eventual outcome will be traffic accidents between users due to the ever increasing demand of the public and the finite number of opportunities…..because of this, I now refuse to visit the SBNF and/or spend my money in areas where I do not feel my family is safe.

I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.  I understand that this is a planning grant to decide which trails will ultimately be added to the US Forest OHV trail system.

Please accept this email as my request to fund the grant to inventory existing historic trails and add as many miles of sustainable “single track” as possible into the official authorized trail system, enabling users to complete a day’s ride without having a head on collision with another user on overcrowded quad wide trails, needing to break an unjust law (knowingly or unknowing) or travel on a high traffic roadway. [John Tucker - 3/27/12]

This letter is to affirm, as a 50-year resident of Southern California, my desire to see more dirt-bike-only trails opened in the San Bernardino National Forest and more trails in all Green Sticker areas opened to a recreation-seeking public, who pay the state annually toward this privilege and with this hope.

Specifically, I, and the RidersOnline group to which I belong, strongly urge you to support Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area and adopt the grant request to add 20 miles of dirt bike-only trail (24 inches width) to this area.

Please do this immediately. In an area as vast as Southern California, there is an inordinately small length of recreational vehicle trails - disproportionately small for the burgeoning number of residents seeking recreational opportunities. I can honestly state that every rider I share the trail with and know personally has the strongest regard for striking a fair balance between the public's right to use public land and a need for setting aside National Forest Land.

Thank you for the chance to comment on this matter that is so important to such a large segment of the state population. [Russell Evans - 3/27/12]


I would like to see more trails opened for OHV use. The more trails that are opened reduces the density of riders on existing trails. This reduced erosion and reduces the chance for collisions. More trails = more safe. [Andrew Palmer - 3/27/12]

I am avid outdoorsman that enjoys the trails that allow us to enjoy and appreciate our beautiful state of California.  I am writing in support of a grant request to help save our trails and single track areas. Single track are narrow trails that wind through the great outdoors that are often times invisible unless you are riding on them.  They are safe and much needed and will reduce the overuse of the existing 'jeep' trails.  We hope to get support to maintain and keep our single track trails which bring families together. 
 
Thank you for your serious consideration and support. [Chuck Willhite - 3/27/12]

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.
 
I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area. I understand that this is a planning grant to decide which trails will ultimately be added to the US Forest OHV trail system.

My support comes with certain requests. After 30 years of no new trail additions to this trail system with millions of dollars of OHV Green Sticker dollars being granted and spent year after year, we must have result oriented requirements on these grants.

This grant request specifically speaks of adding "up to 20 miles of trail." Later it states "net gain of up to 5-20 miles". Additionally it states “We hope to provide riders a complete loop trail system, minimizing the need for user created trails in this area.” With only 2.1 miles of dirt bike 24” trail in the system this is just too small a goal. And we have to do better than just “hope” at the cost of almost a quarter million grant dollars, just for planning !

There are somewhere between 50 to 100 miles of user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area, most of it outside of the designated road-less area. These trails have been on the ground for 50+ years. And prior to recent times they have been widely used because lack of management or law enforcement for the entire life of these trails has lead users to believe they are "open to use".

The dirt bike opportunity in the SBNF is smaller than any other CA based US Forest System to my knowledge. The current focus on law enforcement and planned restoration of trails left out of the official trail has created a HUGE NET LOSS in dirt bike OHV opportunity. We have 2.1 miles of legal trail for dirt bikes. These changes have made outlaws of otherwise law abiding, forest resource sensitive users.

The user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area are documented with the Forest Service. The current FS view is that we need a plan that takes a broad view of the resources rather than a piece by piece approach. I STRONGLY AGREE. Therefore it only makes sense that this Planning Grant is used to determine the viability of all existing user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area for OHV use. Future grant applications to cover physically adding these trails to the forest OHV trail system can be parceled out as the work load & budgets allow in the next few years. But the PLANNING work we propose to do in conjunction with the Planning Grant should not target 5-20 miles. It should look at every trail in the Planning Area. All trails viable to be added to the OHV trail system should identified and listed as approved for addition to the legal OHV trail system.

Let’s review all of these trails. We know where they are. They have all been GPS'd and mapped. Let's do the broad scale planning that we have all spoken about with this Planning Grant... so that every single inch of appropriate trail that can be added to the legal OHV trail system will be added as resources allow.

Thank you again for your efforts on behalf of the public interest that you serve so well! [Ron Thompson - 3/27/12]


Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.

I am a father of 3, and a 43 year resident of the Southern California area. My 3 sons and I all ride the SBNF trails numerous times annually. We all agree that the need for additional trails in the SBNF is great, especially the need for a complete 24" wide loop connecting the existing Devil's Hole trail to White Mtn and Big Pine Flats. The countless user created trails in the area could easily and inexpensively be converted into legal routes.

I fully support the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area and further wish this to be extended to encompass all trails in this area including ATV.

Thank you again for your efforts on behalf of the public interest that you serve so well. [Jim Commerford - 3/27/12]


I am writing this in hopes of helping a cause. The cause is this: there are insufficient "motorcycle only" known to us enthusiasts as "single track" trails in the forest for us motorcyclist to enjoy without the fear of a head on collision with the larger vehicles known as ATV: "quads/sidexside and/or 4X4 automobiles". I also love to recreate in that form as well. I enjoy sharing the beautiful forest with other enthusiasts as well but I am in fear of my family as well as myself to encounter these types of vehicles on the trail system that is currently provided when we recreate on our motorcycles. With a motorcycle only trail system the likelihood of accidents would be greatly reduced do to the size of a motorcycle and decreased speeds that a smaller trail represents. We all have to police ourselves and respect our forest as well as other users, I have instilled that into my family. Thank you very much for your consideration in opening more motorcycle only trails in the SBNF. If I can help in any way please feel free to ask. I am currently on the mailing and volunteer list with CNF in my area. [Gary J. Palmer - 3/27/12]

Please preserve our right to ride in National Forest Service trails. Our riding areas are dwindling rapidly and I strongly oppose this. I and my family regularly trail ride as our form of family recreation. Please help.
Thanks. [Victor Romero - 3/27/12]

I appreciate the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.  I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.  After 30 years of no new trails, I would love to see some new dirt bike only trails near Deep Creek.  It would be nice to have a safe loop through the forest, free from conflict with passenger vehicles and ATVs  . . . especially with the recent influx of side by sides and other larger ATVs that put dirtbikers at serious risk when traveling the opposite direction.  Also, I feel it is very important to have a legal trail system to connect to the legal BLM trails near Deep Creek. [Joe Taylor - 3/27/12]

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Grant Application - Trails Planning for Deep Creek/Coxey Area.
 
I represent the public as a 36 year resident of Southern Ca, 31 year rider of Southern Ca trails, 7 year founder of RIDERS (an OHV riding club in the AAT program) and 3 year Adopt-a-trail member.  My comments are also supported by all 32 members of our small riding club RIDERS.
 
I support fully the grant request to add dirt bike only (24 inch) trails to the Deep Creek/Coxey area.  I understand that this is a planning grant to decide which trails will ultimately be added to the US Forest OHV trail system.
 
My support comes with certain requests.  After 30 years of no new trail additions to this trail system with millions of dollars of OHV Green Sticker dollars being granted and spent year after year, we must have result oriented requirements on these grants. 
 
This grant request specifically speaks of adding "up to 20 miles of trail."   Later it states "net gain of up to 5-20 miles".  Additionally it states “We hope to provide riders a complete loop trail system, minimizing the need for user created trails in this area.”  With only 2.1 miles of dirt bike 24” trail in the system this is just too small a goal. And we have to do better than just “hope” at the cost of almost a quarter million grant dollars, just for planning !

There are somewhere between 50 to 100 miles of user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area, most of it outside of the designated road-less area. These trails have been on the ground for 50+ years.  And prior to recent times they have been widely used because lack of management or law enforcement for the entire life of these trails has lead users to believe they are "open to use".

The dirt bike opportunity in the SBNF is smaller than any other CA based US Forest System to my knowledge.  The current focus on law enforcement and planned restoration of trails left out of the official trail has created a HUGE NET LOSS in dirt bike OHV opportunity.  We have 2.1 miles of legal trail for dirt bikes.  These changes have made outlaws of otherwise law abiding, forest resource sensitive users.

The user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area are documented with the Forest Service.  The current FS view is that we need a plan that takes a broad view of the resources rather than a piece by piece approach.  I STRONGLY AGREE.  Therefore it only makes sense that this Planning Grant is used to determine the viability of all existing user created trails in the Deep Creek/Coxey Area for OHV use.  Future grant applications to cover physically adding these trails to the forest OHV trail system can be parceled out as the work load & budgets allow in the next few years.  But the PLANNING work we propose to do in conjunction with the Planning Grant should not target 5-20 miles.  It should look at every trail in the Planning Area.  All trails viable to be added to the OHV trail system should identified and listed as approved for addition to the legal OHV trail system.
 
Let’s review all of these trails.  We know where they are.  They have all been GPS'd and mapped.  Let's do the broad scale planning that we have all spoken about with this Planning Grant...  so that every single inch of appropriate trail that can be added to the legal OHV trail system will be added as resources allow.

Thank you again for your efforts on behalf of the public interest that you serve so well ! [Jeff Schultz - 3/26/12]