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USFS - Los Padres National Forest

I am writing in support of the Planning Grant for the Los Padres National Forest for the reasons as follows:

Over the past few years CCMA volunteers and the forest service have worked closely together in an effort to improve and also create a more sustainable OHV trail system.

A more scientifically based wet weather management plan is required for the Pozo- La Panza trail system. Funding this grant will provide support for both of these objectives. [Robert Breese - 4/2/12]


I appreciate the opportunity to provide user input to this program.  In general after reading all the provided information I found myself researching the number of miles of  access to multiple –use opportunities (graded roads) versus miles of actual OHV routes ( m/c single track, 50” or less and ungraded 4WD)and could not get the breakdowns from individual Ranger Districts. 
 
The general public would be better able to understand the costs/expenditures  if each Ranger District’s access/OHV mileage breakdowns were included in the general information and then within the request the costs were per Ranger District.  For example the ORD has 8.6 miles of access/OHV routes, what of that is graded road and what is the rest?  The current request directly asks for @7000 dollars for the district and indirectly an unknown amount through staff monies requests. 
 
Within this request I saw only references to the Ojai, SLRD and MPRD, do the other Ranger Districts receive grant monies and where are they expended? 
 
The area that I recreate in is the Mt. Pinos RD and the system is the best around but rarely seems to be open,  as per the seasonal closure dates, which in my observation invites problems.  The system in the Hungry Valley area is excellent in that it is looped in most cases, the one problem area is that the long envisioned  OHV route beside 8N01 to Kings Campground and access to Alamo Mt. Road and the Piru Cr. Trail has never been built encouraging problems.
 
The grant should request funding to protect resources by building this route.
 
Lastly  the most unique OHV opportunity in the LPNF are the washes and trails in the Ballenger Cyn/Cuyama River areas of MPRD.  The washes of Quatal, Apache, Sulpher Springs and Dry Cyn  are an experience not found anywhere and are refreshed so to speak after each rain event. This wonderful resource is also a high use hunting area and access is important to that experience. 
 
The 1992 Condor Range and Rivers Act directed the LPNF to build a “connector trail” from Ballinger Cyn. to the Hungry Valley SVRA (actually the connect would be at Grade Valley Road) and this has never been done.  The system in the area would benefit by said construction in that the proposed route (Badlands EA 1995) connected all the  existing OHV washes with a 50” or less m/c quad route.  Enhancing both OHV and hunting while reducing trespass into the Chumash Wilderness by creating the desired looped OHV system.
 
The grant should request funds for the building of this route to follow the law and protect the Chumash Wilderness (the law stated that the USFS was to build this route with federal funds).
 
The public is educated and encouraged through the grant process and fined if we do not follow the laws pertaining to OHV use in the LPNF, why then does the very agency receiving the grant monies to educate and enforce law not follow the Federal Law in The Condor Range and Rivers Act???  [Kurt Hathaway - 4/1/12]


Los Padres National Forest Ground Operations and planning grants look reasonable and should be funded to maintain these OHV areas in the forest. [Ed Stovin, CORVA - 4/1/12]

This forest list 387 miles of OHV routes, in 2005 Par report it listed 153 miles of 50 inches or less and 359 miles to regular OHV use.512 miles what happened to the other  125 miles?    Wonder what the true numbers really are for 50 inches or less? That is what the public is asking for . Visitors listed 106,294  a raise from quite a drop from 2005  323,086 .  How is this possible?  
 
This  forest as of 1999 received 4.365.830 million dollars from the OHV fund. Now 12 years later it is more like 5  million if not more.  So what o we have for OHV opportunity to warrant this type of investment.   Remember , that OHV funds are here to assist forest  with their management of the OHV program, not supplement existing wages, it was never meant for that. 
 
I support this forest grants with these comments.
 
G 11-02-09-G 01  Ground operations    
Just as other grants, the unit, cost per unit and grant request are all over the place, without exactly telling us what are we getting with the unit price.  1  for 20,000 per year really does not tell me anything.  I want to know the hours spent on OHV projects per year, cost per hours and that should tell you the annual cost. 
 
Boots on the ground is what I am looking for.  SLRD has 1 unit at $72,000 exactly what is that include.? one person  and a brand new F 350 Super Cab?  My mind can come up with a lot of speculations.
 
Mt. Pinos, same question, what on earth is there for $117,500.   Some agencies go over board with details, and other like this no explanation at all.  
 
Contracts 
Vault Pumping. how many SST do you have and how much does it cost to pump  per visit and how often do they go there?  $8,000 is a lot of pumping.

Santa Lucia again 1  for $28,000 how does that brake down ? How many hours, at what rate of pay and that will tell me what you are doing on the ground, "boots on the ground"  
 
Materials: 
Again 4  for $1000 what on earth is this.  I can not do anything on signing and fencing for $1000.  This is totally unrealistic both in dollars and what you expect to do.
 
Fire Rings, 1  for $ 9,500 This has to be over the top. What are the locations of these how many and what do we have now that all of a sudden we need to spend this kind of money when our Ground Operation is over subscribed by 5 million dollars. 
 
Oji Vehicle support  1  for $100  match, exactly what is this?  
 
G 11-02-09-P 01    SLRD - Planning.  
This project has a tremendous volunteer support with the CCMC , this type of cooperation and coordination should be in other district.  Actually volunteers can be more than just volunteers, you can put in fund to assist them, and get work done at Civilian rate rather than government rate, which is putting us out of business in America. [Ed Waldheim - 3/30/12]


Please find attached our comments on the Los Padres grant proposals for 2012. [Bruce Whitcher - 3/28/12]

I am writing you to express my wholehearted support for the grants that are helping to save our single track trails.  I have raised my family in the sport of riding single track trails and can think of no better way of enjoying the great outdoors.  Single track trails have very little impact on the environment and are far less labor intensive to maintain than larger trails and roads. [Phil Pulley - 3/29/12]

I am writing to support a grant request to help save our trails and single track areas. Single track is far less stressful to the environment than say a UTV.

We hope to get support to maintain and keep our single track. Single track is fun for all of the family. It's a clear and easy trail to follow that allows all to enjoy the outdoors. [Troy Bartl - 3/28/12]


I am writing to support a grant request to help save our trails and single track areas. Single track is far less stressful to the enviroment than say a UTV.

We hope to get support to maintain and keep our single track. Single track is fun for all of the family. Its a clear and easy trail to follow that allows all to enjoy the outdoors. [Doug Nicholas - 3/28/12]


I am writing to support a grant request to help save our trails and single track areas. Single track is far less stressful to the enviroment than say a UTV/4 wheel drive trail.

We hope to get support to maintain and keep our single track. Single track is fun for all of the family. Its a clear and easy trail to follow that allows all to enjoy the outdoors. [Thomas Kudlick - 3/27/12]


I am writing to support a grant request to help save our trails and single track areas. Single track is far less stressful to the enviroment than say a UTV. We hope to get support to maintain and keep our single track. Single track is fun for all of the family. Its a clear and easy trail to follow that allows all to enjoy the outdoors. [Adam Casper - 3/27/12]

See attached comments. [Chuck Willhite - 3/27/12]



I am offering input in relation to the Los Padres SLRD Planning Grant.

I am in favor of this grant proposal. The Pozo OHV area is a valuable asset to the OHV community. It provides the only OHV area in the North SLO County. There are many riders who enjoy the scenic beauty of this area as well as a place to ride our off road vehicles.

I believe that the Pozo area has room for trail expansion with out harming the environment. I would like to see more single track trails built that traverse the varied terrain of the area. With proper planning and modern trail construction techniques it is possible to have more trail miles but do less environmental damage.

As a member of the CCMA I have personally helped to maintain the existing trails. Our club spends many hours and dollars each year helping to maintain the existing trails. I think that the input that the CCMA has to offer should be considered. Many of our members have been enjoying Pozo OHV for over 30 years and know it very well.

Please move forward with the improvement planning of the Pozo OHV area. [Carl Brandt - 3/17/12]

See attached comments. [Irene Bagalio - 2/27/12]


See attached comments. [Bruce W. - 2/16/12]


See attached comments. [Peter Hardy - 2/16/12]